A couple of years ago, I wrote a rebuttal to a crackpot claim for the origin of humans, which I called the MFAP Hypothesis. “MFAP” is short for “monkey fucked a pig”, which actually pretty much summarizes the whole idea. Eugene McCarthy (no, not that Eugene McCarthy) assembled a list of superficial similarities between humans and pigs — hairlessness, protruding noses, “snuggling”, that sort of thing — and concluded that a miscellany of appearances overwhelmed the actual genetic relationships and the absence of a feasible genetic mechanism to permit human-porcine hybridization to lead to the inevitable conclusion that, in the distant past, our primate ancestors bred with pigs.
It’s got to be a joke, but McCarthy is very, very serious, and claims that, because he has a Ph.D. in genetics, it must be a reasonable hypothesis.
It’s obviously bogus. I tried to explain that. Donald Prothero tried to explain it. Michael Egnor thought it was as plausible as the idea that humans are evolved apes, so he does have that one rather elliptical bit of support from a fellow crackpot.
But now, after years of mumbling, McCarthy has assembled a rebuttal of sorts. His first efforts are mainly attempts to discredit my competence.
First, please note that PZ Myers is neither trained as a geneticist, nor is he an expert on hybridization. I myself have a masters and Ph.D. in genetics from one of the leading genetics departments in the country (the University of Georgia’s) and I’ve spent a lifetime investigating hybridization. According to Wikipedia, PZ Myers has a B.S. in biology and a Ph.D. in biology. The same article says that he studies zebra fish in connection with his research in the field of developmental evolutionary biology.
Uh, zebrafish? Vertebrate model system known for its utility as a tool for studying vertebrate genetics? I’ve also worked with Drosophila, and have been teaching genetics since the 1990s.
So, OK, let’s just say I know zilch about genetics. Doesn’t matter; my original criticisms still stand, and most importantly, his claim that two species separated by 80 million years of evolution can interbreed ought to be testable. If not by directly breeding humans and pigs, by tests with pigs and rhesus monkeys, or pigs and cats, or cats and dogs, or mice and honey badgers, or whatever off-the-wall combination you can think of. There are genetic barriers to hybridization, and this self-proclaimed expert in hybridization just waves them away.
Do the experiments. Show me that we’re all wrong about the ability of distant species to interbreed.
He then starts going through the strange list of attributes that he claims supports his hybridization theory: cancer incidence, for instance.
In short, then, I claimed that cancer is rare in non-human primates and experts in the field do in fact say that cancer is rare in non-human primates. Why, then, does PZ Myers complain? Isn’t it he who’s being false?
I didn’t say it was false: I even include the low incidence of melanoma in a list of differences between us and apes. I said it was non-unique and irrelevant. Cancer rates are lower in non-human primates than in us because cancer is a disease of aging. It’s also to a degree a consequence of exposure to human-created carcinogenic agents. And that cancer is rare in other primates is not evidence that we are descended from pigs, which also have lower rates of cancer.
Likewise, in connection with female orgasm, I quote Desmond Morris, a well-known zoologist and ethologist, as follows “female orgasm in our species is unique amongst primates…If there is anything that could be called an orgasm [in nonhuman primates], it is a trivial response when compared with that of the female of our own species.” So again, I’ve attributed the claim to a competent expert. So why does Myers say that I’ve listed these two traits “falsely”? Indeed, it seems that his own claim about my falseness is false.
Again, I said it was irrelevant. I’m not particularly impressed with Morris, whose reputation rests on being a prolific pop-biologist, and I don’t know why McCarthy should be, either — he got his degree with research on sticklebacks, a mere fish with no possible connection to genetics.
Orgasms are not unique to humans. Even if they were, it’s a non sequitur — that observation wouldn’t be evidence for pig hybridization.
And I’m not sure why Myers should consider it “bizarre and irrelevant” that pigs snuggle and chimpanzees do not. To me, it’s just another trait that an expert, in this case Jane Goodall, cites as distinguishing humans from chimpanzees. An it’s also one that links us to pigs.
Chimpanzees are social animals that certainly do “snuggle” with one another. A litter of puppies also cuddle up together…does that imply that we are descended from puppies?
He does go on and on with this nonsense, and then gives me an ironic challenge:
What I would say to PZ Myers is: “Stop all the speculating and propounding and explain why the traits that distinguish us from chimpanzees consistently link us with pigs. Offer a different hypothesis accounting for our affinity to pigs. Put up or shut up!”
O Geneticist and Expert in Hybridization: you’re the one speculating and making the outrageous claim. I think the onus is on you to do the experiment, not me.
I’m not going to Offer a different hypothesis accounting for our affinity to pigs
, because I see no particular affinity
between humans and pigs other than the ones due to our common status as mammals. I’m not seeing it on a molecular level in any cladograms comparing pig and human genes, either. My hypothesis is that there is no particular affinity, that the two species have been diverging since the time of their last common ancestor in the Mesozoic, and that Eugene McCarthy is a very silly man.
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A couple of years ago, I wrote a rebuttal to a crackpot claim for the origin of humans, which I called the MFAP Hypothesis. “MFAP” is short for “monkey fucked a pig”, which actually pretty much summarizes the whole idea. Eugene McCarthy (no, not that Eugene McCarthy) assembled a list of superficial similarities between humans and pigs — hairlessness, protruding noses, “snuggling”, that sort of thing — and concluded that a miscellany of appearances overwhelmed the actual genetic relationships and the absence of a feasible genetic mechanism to permit human-porcine hybridization to lead to the inevitable conclusion that, in the distant past, our primate ancestors bred with pigs.
It’s got to be a joke, but McCarthy is very, very serious, and claims that, because he has a Ph.D. in genetics, it must be a reasonable hypothesis.
It’s obviously bogus. I tried to explain that. Donald Prothero tried to explain it. Michael Egnor thought it was as plausible as the idea that humans are evolved apes, so he does have that one rather elliptical bit of support from a fellow crackpot.
But now, after years of mumbling, McCarthy has assembled a rebuttal of sorts. His first efforts are mainly attempts to discredit my competence.
First, please note that PZ Myers is neither trained as a geneticist, nor is he an expert on hybridization. I myself have a masters and Ph.D. in genetics from one of the leading genetics departments in the country (the University of Georgia’s) and I’ve spent a lifetime investigating hybridization. According to Wikipedia, PZ Myers has a B.S. in biology and a Ph.D. in biology. The same article says that he studies zebra fish in connection with his research in the field of developmental evolutionary biology.
Uh, zebrafish? Vertebrate model system known for its utility as a tool for studying vertebrate genetics? I’ve also worked with Drosophila, and have been teaching genetics since the 1990s.
So, OK, let’s just say I know zilch about genetics. Doesn’t matter; my original criticisms still stand, and most importantly, his claim that two species separated by 80 million years of evolution can interbreed ought to be testable. If not by directly breeding humans and pigs, by tests with pigs and rhesus monkeys, or pigs and cats, or cats and dogs, or mice and honey badgers, or whatever off-the-wall combination you can think of. There are genetic barriers to hybridization, and this self-proclaimed expert in hybridization just waves them away.
Do the experiments. Show me that we’re all wrong about the ability of distant species to interbreed.
He then starts going through the strange list of attributes that he claims supports his hybridization theory: cancer incidence, for instance.
In short, then, I claimed that cancer is rare in non-human primates and experts in the field do in fact say that cancer is rare in non-human primates. Why, then, does PZ Myers complain? Isn’t it he who’s being false?
I didn’t say it was false: I even include the low incidence of melanoma in a list of differences between us and apes. I said it was non-unique and irrelevant. Cancer rates are lower in non-human primates than in us because cancer is a disease of aging. It’s also to a degree a consequence of exposure to human-created carcinogenic agents. And that cancer is rare in other primates is not evidence that we are descended from pigs, which also have lower rates of cancer.
Likewise, in connection with female orgasm, I quote Desmond Morris, a well-known zoologist and ethologist, as follows “female orgasm in our species is unique amongst primates…If there is anything that could be called an orgasm [in nonhuman primates], it is a trivial response when compared with that of the female of our own species.” So again, I’ve attributed the claim to a competent expert. So why does Myers say that I’ve listed these two traits “falsely”? Indeed, it seems that his own claim about my falseness is false.
Again, I said it was irrelevant. I’m not particularly impressed with Morris, whose reputation rests on being a prolific pop-biologist, and I don’t know why McCarthy should be, either — he got his degree with research on sticklebacks, a mere fish with no possible connection to genetics.
Orgasms are not unique to humans. Even if they were, it’s a non sequitur — that observation wouldn’t be evidence for pig hybridization.
And I’m not sure why Myers should consider it “bizarre and irrelevant” that pigs snuggle and chimpanzees do not. To me, it’s just another trait that an expert, in this case Jane Goodall, cites as distinguishing humans from chimpanzees. An it’s also one that links us to pigs.
Chimpanzees are social animals that certainly do “snuggle” with one another. A litter of puppies also cuddle up together…does that imply that we are descended from puppies?
He does go on and on with this nonsense, and then gives me an ironic challenge:
What I would say to PZ Myers is: “Stop all the speculating and propounding and explain why the traits that distinguish us from chimpanzees consistently link us with pigs. Offer a different hypothesis accounting for our affinity to pigs. Put up or shut up!”
O Geneticist and Expert in Hybridization: you’re the one speculating and making the outrageous claim. I think the onus is on you to do the experiment, not me.
I’m not going to Offer a different hypothesis accounting for our affinity to pigs
, because I see no particular affinity
between humans and pigs other than the ones due to our common status as mammals. I’m not seeing it on a molecular level in any cladograms comparing pig and human genes, either. My hypothesis is that there is no particular affinity, that the two species have been diverging since the time of their last common ancestor in the Mesozoic, and that Eugene McCarthy is a very silly man.
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